Pinburgh 2012 Semifinals – Group X


  1. O_R_D
    April 7, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    For future videos, you might want to tweak the audio a little bit, the background noise seems to be out of sync (all of the previous Pinburgh videos where fine though).
    In addition, I think it’s best to have the commentary dominate over the game sound (80 -20 maybe?), as it’s kind of hard to hear what they are saying at times.

    Loving the vids as always, just throwing out some constructive criticism.

    1. bowen
      April 7, 2013 at 8:14 pm

      This was my fault, I recorded the commentary audio with the game noise in the background, and the game noise ended up coming through much louder than usual. There wasn’t much choice but to bleed through that background noise (and it’s why you hear the echos now and then). We’ll keep improving, and make sure that this particular problem never happens again. Thanks!

  2. O_R_D
    April 8, 2013 at 2:45 am

    Things like that are bound to happen every now and then, don’t worry too much about it.

  3. LDK
    April 8, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Thanks for providing these vids!

    Comments in this round:
    1) The ball that skipped out of the ramp for Henderson on LOTR, wasn’t that a major malfunction to give a compensation ball?

    2) What happened at appr 1:14:00? The gollum 2-ball mball turned into 3-ball?

    3) I know i am not gonna convince anyone, but the EM game is just scarily close to a randomizer. Sure there is tactics, sure there is skill, but not even close to what solid state games usually involve… Every shot has a major probability to drain even though you hit it as intended.

  4. Rob Wintler-Cox
    April 8, 2013 at 8:22 am

    LDK, I can’t speak authoritatively, but 1) is just what the ball decided to do (twice!) not much different than hopping over the flipper, and 2) There’s always an add a ball in Stern games.

    But I have to be the EM Lorax and speak for the old games. Just because a game doesn’t have ramps that return the ball safely (or usually, anyway… see #1) doesn’t mean that every shot in all EMs has a major probability for drain. Compare this game with the marathon Hot Tip games in other vids. A lot of what contributed to this game being so short is the fact that the shots that most of these players took had huge risk to them.

    They said it in the video (and I can anecdotally confirm it since I play Fast Draw in league every week): The game is designed so that shots to the drop targets do indeed have a huge probability of draining. The drops can also be worth huge points; that’s the risk/reward that’s no different than any other game, EM or SS. Want a safe shot? Bowen says it himself: Avoid the drops and shoot for the upper playfield. You’ve got bonus advances and those potentially valuable holes waiting for you.

  5. bowen
    April 8, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Shots on many games, including solid state and DMDs, can be built to drain the ball. This is the case for the force field on Attack From Mars and the drop targets on Fast Draw. We have set the EMs for 5-ball play to reduce random effects and give players more opportunities to show their skill, and I am confident this comes through in play. Good skill, strategy, timing, nudging, and decision-making all still factor into wins and losses.

    As for the Henderson ball, I was in charge of a different division so did not see it live. I suspect the player walked away without asking for compensation: “When a major malfunction occurs, it is the player’s responsibility to notify the scorekeeper, calmly and promptly”. In the other semifinal, this also happened; the affected player (Jorian) was offered a game restart and refused it.

    For 2013 the rules about major malfunctions are changing slightly. No compensation will be offered for things that happen due to the randomness of pinball. It’s unfortunate, but so are house balls, bad caroms, unlucky tilts, and magnet throwdowns.

  6. ZEN
    April 8, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Great vids guys. Thanks for the humorous commentary from everyone on all the vids and the work that goes into these. A comment on the ball draining from a made ramp shot on those LOTR games. The Oxford English dictionary defines malfunction as: “malfunction, |malˈfÉ™ ng k sh É™n|, verb
    (of a piece of equipment or machinery) fail to function normally or satisfactorily : the unit is clearly malfunctioning.”
    I believe this is different than the examples Bowen listed above. The game is functioning other than intended thus a malfunction. Decisions on how to rule on such an occurrence I will leave to others. Just putting in my two cents.

  7. April 10, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    trent’s ball3 death ball roll over to kick back was so money.. worth a replay 🙂

  8. April 10, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    no worries on the audio mister Bowen.. the double audio was a nice ‘feature’

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